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	<title>Comments on: The Basis of All Desires and The Truth about Growth (Digest)</title>
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		<title>By: Ari Koinuma</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari Koinuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, gotcha.  Thanks for the follow-up!

ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, gotcha.  Thanks for the follow-up!</p>
<p>ari</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ari - I'm really not meaning to belabour this - but seeing you ask, it was this paragraph…

Some people throw up their hands in horror at the idea of everyone doing exactly what they want. They think everyone would be selfish, and the dishes would not get done. You need to know that you are an ethical person, and the things that you truly, really want will benefit EVERYONE.

…as being relevant to the first reply you wrote to me. See you!

Robin's last blog post..&lt;a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Feelings Are There To Be Felt&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ari - I&#8217;m really not meaning to belabour this - but seeing you ask, it was this paragraph…</p>
<p>Some people throw up their hands in horror at the idea of everyone doing exactly what they want. They think everyone would be selfish, and the dishes would not get done. You need to know that you are an ethical person, and the things that you truly, really want will benefit EVERYONE.</p>
<p>…as being relevant to the first reply you wrote to me. See you!</p>
<p>Robin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow">Feelings Are There To Be Felt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ari Koinuma</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-445</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari Koinuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin,

I agree with you on both articles -- particularly, the one about feeling was really great -- though I am not quite seeing the connection between this post of mine and yours.  Your logic must be so advanced that it's leaving me in the dust.  ;-)  Where did you see the connection?

ari

ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin,</p>
<p>I agree with you on both articles &#8212; particularly, the one about feeling was really great &#8212; though I am not quite seeing the connection between this post of mine and yours.  Your logic must be so advanced that it&#8217;s leaving me in the dust.  <img src='http://ourbestversion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Where did you see the connection?</p>
<p>ari</p>
<p>ari</p>
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		<title>By: Ari Koinuma</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari Koinuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jennifer,

You are right, they mean well.  The thing is, it's impossible to pass something other than what you were given, unless you do experience something different yourself. 

This is a topic I want to write about in future, but as parents I feel it's my responsibility to be better parents than my parents.  That's not to say they weren't great.  They were, and many things they did to me I'm going to pass on.  But I am consciously choosing those things, instead of unconsciously following a pattern.  There are things I am filtering out, for sure.  

I don't blame any parents and teachers and other grown-ups ahead of us for passing down what they did.  Self actualization (being totally who you are meant to be) is impossible to understand unless you experience it yourself.  And so far in our history, it's rare to find people who are really actualized.  If you've never been there, you can't teach others how to get there.  You can understand some things just in concept, but we mostly learn by example.  

I'm still discovering myself to what extent I can allow myself to be who I am.  I thought I was doing pretty well, but turns out I can go farther.  But that's also a story for another post.  ;-)

ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jennifer,</p>
<p>You are right, they mean well.  The thing is, it&#8217;s impossible to pass something other than what you were given, unless you do experience something different yourself. </p>
<p>This is a topic I want to write about in future, but as parents I feel it&#8217;s my responsibility to be better parents than my parents.  That&#8217;s not to say they weren&#8217;t great.  They were, and many things they did to me I&#8217;m going to pass on.  But I am consciously choosing those things, instead of unconsciously following a pattern.  There are things I am filtering out, for sure.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t blame any parents and teachers and other grown-ups ahead of us for passing down what they did.  Self actualization (being totally who you are meant to be) is impossible to understand unless you experience it yourself.  And so far in our history, it&#8217;s rare to find people who are really actualized.  If you&#8217;ve never been there, you can&#8217;t teach others how to get there.  You can understand some things just in concept, but we mostly learn by example.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m still discovering myself to what extent I can allow myself to be who I am.  I thought I was doing pretty well, but turns out I can go farther.  But that&#8217;s also a story for another post.  <img src='http://ourbestversion.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
ari</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://letsliveforever.net/2008/05/how-to-be-a-man-and-a-woman-both-at-the-same-time/

Robin's last blog post..&lt;a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Feelings Are There To Be Felt&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/05/how-to-be-a-man-and-a-woman-both-at-the-same-time/" rel="nofollow">http://letsliveforever.net/2008/05/how-to-be-a-man-and-a-woman-both-at-the-same-time/</a></p>
<p>Robin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow">Feelings Are There To Be Felt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ari - I definitely agree with you. I touched on this at the end of a post about following intuition, &lt;a&gt;here.&lt;/a&gt;

Robin's last blog post..&lt;a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Feelings Are There To Be Felt&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ari - I definitely agree with you. I touched on this at the end of a post about following intuition, <a>here.</a></p>
<p>Robin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow">Feelings Are There To Be Felt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ari, this is great info.  

Parents and society think they are doing us a favor - it's in our best interest they think - by helping to conform us to fit in.  But you know I've never known anyone who conformed that made a difference.  

It's only when we are allowed to be ourselves and use our natural talents and abilities and do things the way God created us to do them that we will be fulfilled.  Ive been reading a book on temperaments and have been reminded of this same lesson while reading the book.  

Discovering who we are at the core is a crucial start.  I like how you pointed that out.

Jennifer's last blog post..&lt;a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/PrinciplesForPeace/~3/383680355/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Change Your Life One Thought at a Time - Part 4&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari, this is great info.  </p>
<p>Parents and society think they are doing us a favor - it&#8217;s in our best interest they think - by helping to conform us to fit in.  But you know I&#8217;ve never known anyone who conformed that made a difference.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s only when we are allowed to be ourselves and use our natural talents and abilities and do things the way God created us to do them that we will be fulfilled.  Ive been reading a book on temperaments and have been reminded of this same lesson while reading the book.  </p>
<p>Discovering who we are at the core is a crucial start.  I like how you pointed that out.</p>
<p>Jennifer&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/PrinciplesForPeace/~3/383680355/" rel="nofollow">Change Your Life One Thought at a Time - Part 4</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ari Koinuma</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>Ari Koinuma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Robin,

Well, I think there are a lot of social and cultural conventions that are designed to prevent us from who we are -- not because who we are is necessarily bad, but some of its implications appear threatening to social order.  

I've discussed this in detail &lt;a href="http://ourbestversion.com/2008/05/realizing_your_potential_in_a_society_not_built_for_it/" rel="nofollow"&gt;elsewhere &lt;/a&gt;, but in a nutshell, people believe in this equation: 
allowing individuals to pursue who they are = selfishness = lack of cooperation = they will not contribute (or even disrupt) to the needs of the greater community.   So they feel that they have to force children into submission and cooperation.  

Frankly I disagree with that notion, but I think I understand why they think that. 

The whole notion is driven by fear.  We need to replace it with trust.  Trust that those of us who are fully realized will turn around and contribute to the greater whole, willingly and joyfully. 

ari</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Robin,</p>
<p>Well, I think there are a lot of social and cultural conventions that are designed to prevent us from who we are &#8212; not because who we are is necessarily bad, but some of its implications appear threatening to social order.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve discussed this in detail <a href="http://ourbestversion.com/2008/05/realizing_your_potential_in_a_society_not_built_for_it/" rel="nofollow">elsewhere </a>, but in a nutshell, people believe in this equation:<br />
allowing individuals to pursue who they are = selfishness = lack of cooperation = they will not contribute (or even disrupt) to the needs of the greater community.   So they feel that they have to force children into submission and cooperation.  </p>
<p>Frankly I disagree with that notion, but I think I understand why they think that. </p>
<p>The whole notion is driven by fear.  We need to replace it with trust.  Trust that those of us who are fully realized will turn around and contribute to the greater whole, willingly and joyfully. </p>
<p>ari</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://ourbestversion.com/2008/09/the-basis-of-all-desires-and-the-truth-about-growth-digest/comment-page-1/#comment-433</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ari - I think you are quite right - our desires are telling us something that can be helpful to listen to. I think perhaps that people disapprove of us trying to be who we are, when we are young, because it makes them feel uncomfortable.

Robin's last blog post..&lt;a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Feelings Are There To Be Felt&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ari - I think you are quite right - our desires are telling us something that can be helpful to listen to. I think perhaps that people disapprove of us trying to be who we are, when we are young, because it makes them feel uncomfortable.</p>
<p>Robin&#8217;s last blog post..<a href="http://letsliveforever.net/2008/09/feelings-are-there-to-be-felt/" rel="nofollow">Feelings Are There To Be Felt</a></p>
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